Feb 01 15:18:57 <jmkasunich>	did the meeting start already?
Feb 01 15:19:05 <paul_c>	been going hours
Feb 01 15:20:02 <jmkasunich>	12:00 gmt = 7am here... nice people don't get up that early
Feb 01 15:20:41 <paul_c>	with a finish time of 18:00, should still catch the people on the west coast
Feb 01 15:21:12 <ray>		I see that we have expanded the times some.  Can we get a quick update?
Feb 01 15:21:52 <jmkasunich>	6 hours is a really long "meeting" - more like a "stop in and chat"
Feb 01 15:22:16 <jmkasunich>	but I suppose it's hard to find a time when everyone can make it
Feb 01 15:22:25 <paul_c>	could move the times to 14:00-20:00 GMT
Feb 01 15:22:37 <jmkasunich>	still 6 hours
Feb 01 15:23:17 <jmkasunich>	I was just joking about the earlyness
Feb 01 15:23:25 <paul_c>	18:00 to 20:00 ?
Feb 01 15:24:30 <ray>		I'm more up for a join and go if there is a way to catch up or review the doings.
Feb 01 15:24:39 <jmkasunich>	we'd have to find a time that is good for everybody
Feb 01 15:25:06 <jmkasunich>	(or just stick with the join and go, but Ray's right - need to be able to catch up)
Feb 01 15:25:58 <ray>		So I'll update a bit.  My trip to Ann Arbor was in a blinding snowstorm both ways.  I did not accomplish all that I intended for the show.
Feb 01 15:26:05 <paul_c>	well.... a 16:00 GMT start would allow some of the guys further west to wake up first...
Feb 01 15:26:43 <ray>		The Best Western is a great place for informal sessions in the evenings.  Several areas where groups can get together.
Feb 01 15:27:17 <ray>		I got a room for 59+tax -- 64 total.
Feb 01 15:27:27 <jmkasunich>	not bad
Feb 01 15:27:38 <ray>		Much nicer rooms than Super 8.
Feb 01 15:27:55 <jmkasunich>	will webbers be upset if we use their meeting room but stay elsewhere?
Feb 01 15:28:07 <ray>		So it looks like we might have three levels 39, 59, 89.
Feb 01 15:28:35 <ray>		No problem with Webers for the Monday.  The meal is payment for the conference room.
Feb 01 15:28:43 <jmkasunich>	cool
Feb 01 15:29:17 <jmkasunich>	I'll probably stay at the best west then
Feb 01 15:29:18 <ray>		Smithy is ready for us on Tuesday and Wednesday.  Jim ordered another hub so that we'd have a spare.
Feb 01 15:29:50 <ray>		He liked the idea of the subnet with a single wire to Smithy's net.
Feb 01 15:30:29 <jmkasunich>	I'll make sure I have a dual ethernet slot in the farm for the router
Feb 01 15:30:43 <ray>	 	Sounds good.
Feb 01 15:31:26 <ray>		jmkasunich: you said that you had a ethernet enabled printer?
Feb 01 15:32:23 <jmkasunich>	yes, sort of... LaserJet IIP with a HL JetDirect adapter.  I've had problems getting linux to print properly (margins get screwed up), but it definelty connects vie ethernet
Feb 01 15:36:20 <jmkasunich>	you said they're all set for tues and wed - what about monday night - can we unload our stuff, or does it stay in the vehicles monday night?
Feb 01 15:38:32 <ray>		Sunday night.  They will be there unloading their own stuff.
Feb 01 15:38:44 <jmkasunich>	good
Feb 01 15:39:05 <jmkasunich>	that will determine how much stuff I bring
Feb 01 15:39:25 <ray>		I'll see that we get supported on the extra long days but I don't think we'll be able to stay much past 8 pm..
Feb 01 15:40:09 <jmkasunich>	oh well... I'm thinking about getting a LCD monitor before then - maybe I'll take one computer back to the hotel with me each night
Feb 01 15:41:17 <ray>		Both Webers and Best Western have what they claim to be High Speed internet in the rooms.
Feb 01 15:42:00 <jmkasunich>	could be handy, but not really needed - I'll just use my working copy, then cvs commit in the morning
Feb 01 15:42:37 <jmkasunich>	speaking of CVS - after the troubles at SF the last two weeks, I'm more inclined to favor a local CVS repository at the fest
Feb 01 15:43:01 <ray>		Right.  I'll get the rooms finalized asap and post a note to the lists.
Feb 01 15:43:04 *		paul_c has a box set up with a cvs server.
Feb 01 15:43:23 <ray>		That right was not intended to reply to the cvs issue.
Feb 01 15:44:22 <jmkasunich>	re the lists - should we point them to fest04.txt?  or should we make up a little webpage at linuxcnc.org (more work)
Feb 01 15:45:02 <ray>		I think the web would be appropriate once we get things settled out.
Feb 01 15:45:21 <jmkasunich>	agreed - I can do a little html'ing if needed
Feb 01 15:45:55 <ray>		Good.
Feb 01 15:47:40 <jmkasunich>	btw, ray... thanks for all the organizing!  I'm really looking forward to emcfest, and you have been key in making it happen.
Feb 01 15:48:16 <ray>		I believe in it.
Feb 01 15:48:52 <ray>		I saw photos from the early get togethers of the GIMP developers.  That's where I got the idea.
Feb 01 15:50:12 <paul_c>	re: cvs servers
Feb 01 15:50:25 <jmkasunich>	we want one
Feb 01 15:50:33 <paul_c>	how much disk space do you think we'll need ?
Feb 01 15:50:45 <jmkasunich>	how big is the emc tree?
Feb 01 15:50:55 <ray>		18 Meg.
Feb 01 15:51:04 <paul_c>	last count, the cvs tarball was 14Meg
Feb 01 15:51:31 <jmkasunich>	so we need enough for the OS, +18Meg - not much in other words
Feb 01 15:52:07 <paul_c>	so a 20Gig drive will be big enough then....
Feb 01 15:52:22 <jmkasunich>	1G would probably be big enough, depending on the OS distro
Feb 01 15:52:47 *		paul_c was looking at was to hand...
Feb 01 15:53:11 <jmkasunich>	I have several 2G, 4.3G laying about
Feb 01 15:53:29 <paul_c>	have a HDD that has been infected with the M$ XP virus
Feb 01 15:53:41 <jmkasunich>	how long does it take to set up a CVS server?
Feb 01 15:53:55 <ray>		I can bring a 40.
Feb 01 15:54:12 <paul_c>	including a clean install ?
Feb 01 15:54:19 <jmkasunich>	if you want to have less baggage, we could use a farm slot
Feb 01 15:54:39 <jmkasunich>	I can have BDI 2.19 or TNG preinstalled
Feb 01 15:54:49 <ray>	Mdk 9.1 takes an hour or so.
Feb 01 15:54:49 <paul_c>	have a mini ATX set up ready to bring...
Feb 01 15:55:26 <jmkasunich>	the mini atx can be cvs server and your working machine at the same time without problems?
Feb 01 15:55:34 <paul_c>	sure
Feb 01 15:55:46 <jmkasunich>	ok then - better to have cvs installed and tested already
Feb 01 15:56:06 <paul_c>	2.kGHz Athlon & 256Meg RAM
Feb 01 15:56:16 <paul_c>	2.4GHz
Feb 01 15:56:36 <ray>		paul_c:  Can we work directly from a local copy of the SF?
Feb 01 15:57:38 <paul_c>	as in Do a mirror and the resync when we're done ?
Feb 01 15:58:14 <jmkasunich>	or maybe resync every night?
Feb 01 15:58:44 <jmkasunich>	(I wonder if we will have folk who want to participate remotely)
Feb 01 15:58:45 <ray>		paul_c: That's what I was wondering.
Feb 01 15:59:19 <ray>		I'd like to see that and run a conversation here at the same time.
Feb 01 15:59:29 <paul_c>	keeping the two repositories in sync will be a challenge
Feb 01 15:59:58 <jmkasunich>	if its not practical, then we just won't do it...
Feb 01 16:00:11 <paul_c>	but I doubt if we would have anyone outside the group wanting to participate.
Feb 01 16:00:29 <jmkasunich>	yeah - all the currently active coders will be there
Feb 01 16:00:46 <jmkasunich>	(always hoping for more though)
Feb 01 16:00:55 <paul_c>	fat chance...
Feb 01 16:01:04 <jmkasunich>	on a more mundane but important subject - don't forget the power strips!
Feb 01 16:01:13 <ray>		The sync problem is why I think that we ought to try to work from SF rather than local.
Feb 01 16:01:31 <paul_c>	for sure
Feb 01 16:01:46 <paul_c>	but have a backup server just incase
Feb 01 16:01:50 <jmkasunich>	ray: perhaps, but we need local backup - if SF goes down like they did last week, we'd be screwed
Feb 01 16:02:27 <ray>		I've got no problem with a local copy to fall back on.
Feb 01 16:03:02 <paul_c>	Right - I'll make sure we have a box set up and tested....
Feb 01 16:03:24 <paul_c>	maybe with a backup Live CD
Feb 01 16:03:28 <ray>		I'd at least like to see us make the coding option available to remote attendees.
Feb 01 16:04:14 <paul_c>	with a 24Hr IRC terminal ?
Feb 01 16:04:21 <ray>		That with IRC could allow people at a distance to work on parts of the project.
Feb 01 16:04:51 <jmkasunich>	24 hr won't work when we're not at smithy
Feb 01 16:05:15 <jmkasunich>	but we'll have 12 hrs anyway - 8am to 8pm, approximately
Feb 01 16:05:32 <ray>		It would still be running if folk wanted to post while we are away.
Feb 01 16:05:54 <jmkasunich>	thats 1pm to 1am in europe - prime coding hours  ;-)
Feb 01 16:06:05 <jmkasunich>	ray: right
Feb 01 16:06:58 <jmkasunich>	and of course the mailing lists will be available too
Feb 01 16:07:12 <ray>		If we posted an hourly update on where we were and what was happening, it would make little difference where the action was.
Feb 01 16:07:39 <jmkasunich>	it's a shame theres no inet at southgate - fri thru sunday we'll be pretty isolated
Feb 01 16:07:46 <paul_c>	A daily update would probably be enough....
Feb 01 16:08:37 <ray>		Right NAMES is a place apart.  We did get a cell dial in once but only long enough for FredP to fix a problem.
Feb 01 16:10:34 <jmkasunich>	hmmm - I know much of names is talking to users etc, but I will have the compile farm box there (hiding under a table) along with the ethernet switch... we could set up our subnet there
Feb 01 16:10:48 <jmkasunich>	we'd need the local cvs if we do any coding
Feb 01 16:11:14 <ray>		Works for me.
Feb 01 16:12:18 <jmkasunich>	I can do a cvs up Friday night, so I'll have the latest from SF, we can import that to the local CVS saturday
Feb 01 16:12:52 <jmkasunich>	then export back to SF tues morning
Feb 01 16:16:33 *		jmkasunich starts reading networking howtos...
Feb 01 16:17:04 <ray>		Both Mike and Jim can help a lot with some of these issues.
Feb 01 16:17:30 <jmkasunich>	right - I'd like to set up the router and test it here
Feb 01 16:17:55 *		paul_c tests a remote checkout of a cvs server....
Feb 01 16:18:40 <jmkasunich>	we'll want the router to be a DHCP server for the subnet (and maybe a DNS server too?)
Feb 01 16:20:26 <ray>		When I connected at Smithy with dhcp the dns to the www was transparent.  I can see that we might want local names for machines though.
Feb 01 16:21:09 <jmkasunich>	right - I was thinking about local names.  to use the compile farm you'll need to ssh to it, by name would be much easier
Feb 01 16:21:40 <ray>		OK.  Local names it is.
Feb 01 16:23:16 <jmkasunich>	just read that dhcp can be set to assign static IPs to some ethernet addys - I could set it up so the farm PC get the same IP every time - then we don't really need local names
Feb 01 16:23:24 <jmkasunich>	we'll see how it works out
Feb 01 16:34:48 <ray>		Sounds like we've run this topic to a stopping place.
Feb 01 16:34:54 <ray>		Got another?
Feb 01 17:10:36 <paul_c>	Will Fred & Will be at Smithy ?
Feb 01 17:12:45 <jmkasunich>	I haven't heard anything, I assume not.  Maybe Matt knows
Feb 01 17:12:55 <ray>		Don't know yet.  Need to do a bit of arm twisting.
Feb 01 17:13:20 <paul_c>	Got a whole load of questions for Fred